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PAGAN - Religion of dragons?RealDragon Yahoo GroupPAGAN - Religion of dragons? From : Ellsantyr Date : Saturday, February 15, 2003 12:51 AM Do dragons actually have a religion? Not that I know of. We are natural elemental spirits, some of whom have become bonded to human souls so that they may live for a while. Now, the human may decide before realizing the truth of what they are to be christian or islamic, jewish, etc... but once the draconic side "awakens" (for lack of better term) these things tend to change. The truths of these religions are a bit different in the eyes of a dragon who has been around for all of it. The figures represented in the religions and the books which lead them hold some respect, but they are no longer considered deific and the word of god by most who are draconic. Most consider dragons to be Pagan. I've been labeled everything in the book, but I don't think I believe completely in any certain dogma...including Wiccan or Celtic ideology. I call myself Pagan now. I wear a Celtic cross and I am drawn to celtic things, but I don't agree with all of that either. Deities in particular give me a bad feeling, after all you are placing yourself below human heroes made into gods. Why would a dragon wish to do so? *Showing honor and respect is different than worship So, what does Pagan mean to you? And if you have anything to add to the commentary so far, by all means, go ahead. Ellsantyr PS- For you who are so small minded as to think I am bashing anyone in this commentary, I assure you I am simply placing a topic out from which a discussion can begin. I think many times we have carried political correctness too far, especially when we begin trying to apologize for everything said. Sometimes I believe people can benefit from remembering the simple statements: Speak without Offending. Listen without Defending. http://web.archive.org/web/200310...cussion/show.asp?file=pagan1.html |
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From : Taren
Date : Saturday, February 15, 2003 2:21 AM I'm going backwards through the questions, but that's just my style: My honest-to-god opinion: When someone mentions paganism, it usually makes me think of the stereotypical Wiccan. The feminist bunny-hugger/tree-hugger. No offense intended. My theories: I've noticed that a lot of dragons- especially the ones under 21- are more inclined to becoming pagan. They feel that as they revolt against their humanity*, they might as well revolt against religion while they're at it.*Revolting caused by the desire to separate/stand out. It's always been my understanding that humans created religion to explain unnatural phenomenon that couldn't be explained with the science of the day (see ancient Greece) and/or to satisfy their innate need to be subordinate to something. Humans can't seem to get along without a person in charge, be it a king, president, or diety. This is the kind of stuff I want to post about. Open discussion of stuff. I know full well that at least one thing is here is far from being correct, but that's what discussion is for- so I can become enlightened. -Taren |
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From : P. Birley
Date : Saturday, February 15, 2003 2:25 AM i am sorry if i have this wrong but so called dragons have a person incharge as well. may it be a higher dragon or the dragon but there is stillsomone taht is higher than another. |
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From : Dragon
Date : Saturday, February 15, 2003 3:07 AM Thats like Saying all Humans are Christian. No, Dragons are not Pagans itsjust that most pagans like to use Dragons same goes with magick stuff. I don't know why really.. |
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From : Da'alrakken
Date : Saturday, February 15, 2003 1:30 PM Do Dragons have a relgion? For me and my species, it would not be classified as such. It is more a way of life. A unity with the Cosmos. We do have a "spiritual sect" that offers aid in finding a stronger connction with the Cosmos. There are no Gods or Goddesses involved. We do however, recognize them and thank them for what they have done and do. Yet, they are not the centerpieces of what we believe. From what little I do know of Taoism here on this would, I would say that is the closest thing I can compare it to. I define Pagan as any spiritual path that does not follow the major "recognized" religions of this word. A spirituality that recognizes the forces, energy and connections with the natural world... this Planet and the very Cosmos itself. I do not follow any convictions of conventional religions of this world ..how could I? I am Dragon. I cannot follow a system of beliefs that a Human would. The exterior may be Human but, the very nature of spirituality is the soul ... at that is Dragon. There are some aspects of some Human religions that do resonate with what I know to be true. For me, it is like picking and choosing some of these ideas, balanced with what I already know and feel in my Heart and Soul. I have read that some think that this "picking and choosing" dilutes the relgion that they are derived from. Form their view point, that may very well be true. For me, it is as simple as following my Heart and listening to my Soul. Be well, Da'alrakken |
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From : Carkothianin
Date : Sunday, February 16, 2003 5:06 AM I wouldn't say dragons would have any particular religion at all. From what I remember, my clan thoughts where all thinking on the same level (versus the humans in this day and age, them fighting eachother) and where at balance with our surroundings. perhaps the only gods of my religion are my friends and family? Who's to say? As, i'm sure, that everyone would agree that a dragon does NOT like to be controlled by anyone. A fierce and free spirit. Also, celtic culture was very attuned with the spirit and in some cases (if not all) dragons where involved. Much like the native americans, but on a different land, the spirits are everywhere. It's too bad that there is alot of flaming (from what i hear) on the lists. I did my best to ignore them, even without noticing it  . Seriously, I'm never a person that will not take criticism in both positive and negative lights, and truths or what have you.
Keep strong, and your hope shall not fade. "Much like when the blade is sharpened, so shall the wielder sharpen thier soul with the stone called honor" "In the darkness, the dragon wakes. To a heart numbed with cold, the dragon roars. With you by my side, the dragon sleeps. When the dragon gains wings, into the sky our hopes will leap." |
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From : Dyaminda
Date : Sunday, February 16, 2003 5:55 PM
Hmmmm. I don't quite understand. As I understand it, the crux of what Christianity preaches is that God sent his son (or a part of himself - the trinity) to earth to save mankind. What part of that would be for a dragon? Dyaminda |
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From : Dracnoor
Date : Sunday, February 16, 2003 10:41 PM
In my opinion, regardless of a religion's trueoriginal intent, it is the followers' currenttranslation (or interpretation) that makes a firstimpression. In Christian churches today, for example, the Bible isfrequently interpreted as meaning the world wascreated for Man's use, and that his "having dominionover" all other creatures makes those creaturessomehow subservient or inferior by comparison.Many theological debates begin with a statement to theeffect of "only humans have souls." So yes, I would say that mainstream religions existtoday that are practiced as a "for humans only"affair.
I believe its message was meant to be... I just don'tbelieve a majority of Christians currently see it thatway. - Dracnoor - |
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From : Tal
Date : Monday, February 17, 2003 6:41 AM
A Dragon Can believe anything it wants to - Same Goes with any individual orcreature.its only a matter of what that person decides to do with that information orReligious belief. They can throw it on the ground and leave it and never believe in it. TheTruth of the matter is - it will come back to get them in the end, if theytotally ignore it. -Tal |
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From : Luxatos JLazula
Date : Monday, February 17, 2003 6:56 AM
Mankind? Christianity preaches that He sent His son to save *all* who would believe in Him and accept salvation. I don't want this to escalate into a religious debate, though. I never intended it to. |
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From : Ztikks
Date : Monday, February 17, 2003 7:22 AM I can't actualy remember what the original question for this thread was, so I'll just give my opinion on what religon is/means to me. The specifics of any religion, to me at least, are mainly irrelevant, it is the overall world view that they give that is important, all the texts are simply a way of getting that across in a way that people can relate to. So in that sense, I beleive that it makes very little difference who/what you are or where you come from, if you can agree with the overall beleif system then why does it matter whether the central characters in the religion are human, dragon or whatever. While I don't follow a religion as such, I do have beleif. I don't think I have the language to define this properly, but when times are hard, it is alwasy there, something I can cling to, possibly the only guaranteed thing in my life that I know will always be there as long as I want it to be. Well, I think that's about it for me, Ztikks. |
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From : Dyaminda
Date : Monday, February 17, 2003 7:43 AM
I'm not wanting to debate, only to try to understand. I think that traditionally the *all* has been accepted to mean all of humanity. "God" created "Man" in his image. "Man" was given dominion of all the Earth, etc. This type of reference is endless in the Christian Bible. From what you are saying, Christians should then accept any who would come to this acceptance. Even dragons, whom they seem to traditionally believe to be demonic, evil beings. I wonder how many churches would really welcome us, knowing what we are, without trying to change us? Without trying to convince us that we are not what we know ourselves to be? I wonder how many would be willing to expand this to otherkin, or other races of the universe? Eventually we may see. Dyaminda |
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From : Nargus StreamWarrior
Date : Monday, February 17, 2003 10:53 AM For me, I do belief in Nature, the Way of the Universe. Few years ago, I doafraid that when I died, who will continue my website? What will happen tome next? And what will I be reborn as, if any? But I think I'm starting to/put it down/ (umm..is it correct word? I'm not great in english). I afraidof dead much less than before. It's just the way of the universe, the way oflife. Not mean to any insult but...I, and we all in fact, are just ananimal, no difference from all other animals and living being in the world,and universe. This somehow make me feel good; even in this human body inthis human world, I still be part of the Nature, however it may be, I stillbe a part of a variable of the Balance equation which affects the wholeuniverse...and the True Dragon still be in my soul...things come and pass,empires rise and fall, species born and dead...I know I'll one day go backto the Great Dragon, or great spirit of the Nature I call, after I couldfinished the task I've been set upon...whatever it may be, I do not sureof about it as yet, but...I know one day I'll be able to finish it, howeverlong it may take. Perhaps, hundreds or thousands of years, but that's notthe problem anymore as that day will come at last... "One drop of water could fill the ocean" a rule of the Dinotopia said. Don'tknow how it related to this topic, I just like to said *smile*
Lord Nargus StreamWarrior |
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From : Dracnoor
Date : Monday, February 17, 2003 11:42 AM
I believe that following the original definition of the word "Christian" (that is to say, "Christ-like") would make such acceptance possible. However, I also know that history is rife with examples of Christianity (as well as other religions, to be truthful) being misappropriated as an excuse for bigotry and intolerance. Thus, the satirical comment, "Lord, save me from your followers." - Dracnoor - |
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From : Dragon
Date : Monday, February 17, 2003 11:48 AM Uh Dracnoor - how are you 100% certain aliens didn't write the bible? O_o Care to show me evidence their? |
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From : Furusato
Date : Monday, February 17, 2003 6:44 PM Lhosreiff wrote in Monday, February 17, 2003 12:29 AM: Dragon wrote: Uh Michael - how are you 100% certain aliens didn't write the bible? O_o Care to show me evidence their? (Care to show me evidence it's true at all? I would die laughing if we one day found out that the bible was written by a drunk idiot with nothing better to do... anyway. * ) Wasn't there an important document that WAS written by drunk idiots? I heard it was the American Constitution. My rambling Gov't teacher mentioned that... Pretty funny. As for the Bible, it's been rewritten so many times, it doesn't matter who originally wrote it because their words have all been changed! |
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